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	<title>Comments on: Name-That-Major-Wrong Contest: Poseidon</title>
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		<title>By: Annie</title>
		<link>http://www.ryebrye.com/blog/2006/02/24/name-that-major-wrong-contest-poseidon/#comment-1039</link>
		<dc:creator>Annie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 May 2006 14:53:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Besides the problem of the breaking wave, I was wondering about the reflection of moonlight on the ocean's surface in the first frame.  Wouldn't the wave block the moonlight, causing a shadow in front of it so the horizon to be an eerie wider blackness despite the full moon?  The shot looks as if the moon is merrily reflected on the ocean's surface right to the foot of that wave.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Besides the problem of the breaking wave, I was wondering about the reflection of moonlight on the ocean&#8217;s surface in the first frame.  Wouldn&#8217;t the wave block the moonlight, causing a shadow in front of it so the horizon to be an eerie wider blackness despite the full moon?  The shot looks as if the moon is merrily reflected on the ocean&#8217;s surface right to the foot of that wave.</p>
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		<title>By: Doug Richardson</title>
		<link>http://www.ryebrye.com/blog/2006/02/24/name-that-major-wrong-contest-poseidon/#comment-1038</link>
		<dc:creator>Doug Richardson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 May 2006 13:56:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alex, okay an oxygen tank, not a propane tank. My point is if the air from the tube was originally blowing in, why would reversing the stabilizer props cause the air to be sucked into the tube rather than out? The stabilizer props work in tandem, one pulls water or, in the movie, air, into the tube, the other pushes it out. Reversing the props would have the same effect only in the opposite direction within the tube. I don't see how changing the direction of air in the prop tube changes the direction of air through the hatch.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alex, okay an oxygen tank, not a propane tank. My point is if the air from the tube was originally blowing in, why would reversing the stabilizer props cause the air to be sucked into the tube rather than out? The stabilizer props work in tandem, one pulls water or, in the movie, air, into the tube, the other pushes it out. Reversing the props would have the same effect only in the opposite direction within the tube. I don&#8217;t see how changing the direction of air in the prop tube changes the direction of air through the hatch.</p>
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		<title>By: alex</title>
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		<dc:creator>alex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 May 2006 17:56:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>um, the tank was an oxygen tank, and the direction of air would matter under the circumstances. originally, the air was blowing inward... so if they put the "propane" tank into the tube, then one) they wouldn't've been able to put it in, and two) if they did manage it in, the air pressure would've held the tank against the outside of the compartment (the part that would normaly be exposed to water.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>um, the tank was an oxygen tank, and the direction of air would matter under the circumstances. originally, the air was blowing inward&#8230; so if they put the &#8220;propane&#8221; tank into the tube, then one) they wouldn&#8217;t've been able to put it in, and two) if they did manage it in, the air pressure would&#8217;ve held the tank against the outside of the compartment (the part that would normaly be exposed to water.</p>
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		<title>By: Doug Richardson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Doug Richardson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 May 2006 22:28:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My wife and I had a heated discussion about the climatic scene where the survivors finally reach the propeller tube. I don't understand the significance of Kurt Russell's character reversing the propellers just before he drowned in the control room. This occurred after he found the "off" button broken. His last action is to reverse the direction of the propellers. I contend it would have made no difference.  The survivors attempt to disable the propellers by having a large object - like the propane tank - sucked into one of them would have worked regardless of the direction of the propellers.  Since these are stabilizing/movement propellers, they are desgined to move the ship sideways rather than forward or backward like the rear propellers.  I also doubt they would have been able to open the hatch because of the air pressure building up in the compartment they were in. The movie would have us believe the direction of the propellers - port or starboard - caused the door to be blown into Richard Dreyfuss' faced when he opened it and then suck everything out of the room once Kurt Russell heroically reversed the direction.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My wife and I had a heated discussion about the climatic scene where the survivors finally reach the propeller tube. I don&#8217;t understand the significance of Kurt Russell&#8217;s character reversing the propellers just before he drowned in the control room. This occurred after he found the &#8220;off&#8221; button broken. His last action is to reverse the direction of the propellers. I contend it would have made no difference.  The survivors attempt to disable the propellers by having a large object - like the propane tank - sucked into one of them would have worked regardless of the direction of the propellers.  Since these are stabilizing/movement propellers, they are desgined to move the ship sideways rather than forward or backward like the rear propellers.  I also doubt they would have been able to open the hatch because of the air pressure building up in the compartment they were in. The movie would have us believe the direction of the propellers - port or starboard - caused the door to be blown into Richard Dreyfuss&#8217; faced when he opened it and then suck everything out of the room once Kurt Russell heroically reversed the direction.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
		<link>http://www.ryebrye.com/blog/2006/02/24/name-that-major-wrong-contest-poseidon/#comment-1016</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 May 2006 11:48:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A few other things wrong with the movie...

1)  When they are in the ballast tanks, they are at the bottom of the ship - which is now out of the water.  But yet when they open the valves, water pours in.  Where is this water coming from?  By my estimation the inlets would be high and dry.

2) Why would they design ballast tanks to automatically flood in succession?  Since the purpose of the tanks is to add stability and correct the balance of the ship, I would imagine you would want more control of this activity.

3) At least once, the characters open a hatch and simply step through it - and find themselves standing on something.  What?  The underside of a convenient balcony?  What gets me is that they stepped through the door without even looking to see if there was anything to stand on first.  For all they knew they could have been stepping into a cavernous place like the engine room where the "floor" is now fifty or sixty feet "down".

As a fan of the original, I have to say I was disappointed.  In the original it was HARD getting through the ship.  Things didn't work... there wasn't always a convenient place to stand or walk - and so on.  With a track record including the fantastic Das Boot, I really expected a lot more attention to detail (and just plain avoidance of simple mistakes) from Wolfgang Petersen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A few other things wrong with the movie&#8230;</p>
<p>1)  When they are in the ballast tanks, they are at the bottom of the ship - which is now out of the water.  But yet when they open the valves, water pours in.  Where is this water coming from?  By my estimation the inlets would be high and dry.</p>
<p>2) Why would they design ballast tanks to automatically flood in succession?  Since the purpose of the tanks is to add stability and correct the balance of the ship, I would imagine you would want more control of this activity.</p>
<p>3) At least once, the characters open a hatch and simply step through it - and find themselves standing on something.  What?  The underside of a convenient balcony?  What gets me is that they stepped through the door without even looking to see if there was anything to stand on first.  For all they knew they could have been stepping into a cavernous place like the engine room where the &#8220;floor&#8221; is now fifty or sixty feet &#8220;down&#8221;.</p>
<p>As a fan of the original, I have to say I was disappointed.  In the original it was HARD getting through the ship.  Things didn&#8217;t work&#8230; there wasn&#8217;t always a convenient place to stand or walk - and so on.  With a track record including the fantastic Das Boot, I really expected a lot more attention to detail (and just plain avoidance of simple mistakes) from Wolfgang Petersen.</p>
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		<title>By: john</title>
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		<dc:creator>john</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 May 2006 18:13:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In the first picture, the moon is just at the top of the wave and yet there is a moon glow (reflection) in the water all the way to the base of the wave.  If the wave were reallly there, this water wo0uld be in the shadow of the wave.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In the first picture, the moon is just at the top of the wave and yet there is a moon glow (reflection) in the water all the way to the base of the wave.  If the wave were reallly there, this water wo0uld be in the shadow of the wave.</p>
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		<title>By: PAQ</title>
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		<dc:creator>PAQ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 May 2006 17:37:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Never see a remake of a bad movie. Your time can be better spent teaching pigs to sing.</description>
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		<title>By: Johnny C</title>
		<link>http://www.ryebrye.com/blog/2006/02/24/name-that-major-wrong-contest-poseidon/#comment-1002</link>
		<dc:creator>Johnny C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 May 2006 04:10:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also, in the movie, the water was perfectly calm right before and after the wave struct the ship.  It was like there was a single wave on the entire ocean with nothing before or after it.  There seemed to be no wake from the first wave or dimishing waves of less intensity following it.

I agree with most of what Ed said, with the exception of Number 4.  Most emergency lights have battery backups to provide light in the case of electrical fires and blackouts.  That would have provided light for several hours assuming they were destroyed in the ship turning over.

Also, wouldn't a ship sink bow first (like in the original movie) since the sloped front would have more weight from the steel of the hull over less surface area causing less bouyancy than the aft?  

I suppose it could sink differently, if the aft filled with water, but since there were no holes in the aft section of the hull, there would be no way for the air to escape until the ship twists or turns upright when finally sinking.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also, in the movie, the water was perfectly calm right before and after the wave struct the ship.  It was like there was a single wave on the entire ocean with nothing before or after it.  There seemed to be no wake from the first wave or dimishing waves of less intensity following it.</p>
<p>I agree with most of what Ed said, with the exception of Number 4.  Most emergency lights have battery backups to provide light in the case of electrical fires and blackouts.  That would have provided light for several hours assuming they were destroyed in the ship turning over.</p>
<p>Also, wouldn&#8217;t a ship sink bow first (like in the original movie) since the sloped front would have more weight from the steel of the hull over less surface area causing less bouyancy than the aft?  </p>
<p>I suppose it could sink differently, if the aft filled with water, but since there were no holes in the aft section of the hull, there would be no way for the air to escape until the ship twists or turns upright when finally sinking.</p>
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		<title>By: gary</title>
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		<dc:creator>gary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 May 2006 19:02:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Aside from the fakey vertical wall of water in the middle of nowhere: First picture shows a far off wave already begining to crest.  Somehow it didn't until it hits the boat way later.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aside from the fakey vertical wall of water in the middle of nowhere: First picture shows a far off wave already begining to crest.  Somehow it didn&#8217;t until it hits the boat way later.</p>
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		<title>By: Ed</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 May 2006 18:49:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is a lot wrong with this movie, but that's pretty much expected for this type of movie. It really wasn't that bad.

1-The Poseidon had no anchors. The entire ship is computer generated, and I guess they focused on the hull design and not the anchors.

2-Rogue waves exist, but are the result of constructive interference between smaller (but still large) waves. The wave hit on a perfectly calm day... not a situation likely to result in a rogue wave.

3-LOTS of fire, but very little smoke. OK, if there was too much smoke, you couldn't see the action and it would be a boring movie.

4-Too much power. Again, if the lights were completely off, the screen would be black and the movie would be boring.

5-Helicopters can't fly too far offshore...Perhaps they were launched from a ship?

6-Bow thruster operation didn't make sense. They would either be "blowing" to port or starboard, not inboard or outboard.

7-Bow thrusters were activated by a joystick on the bridge that had to be held in position. Yet later at the end of the movie, they are operated by a button that stays in position.

8-Air pockets in the ship would be under high-pressure. If an opening is made to the outside, there would be a great rush of air out. It would have blown them out of the bow thruster tubes.

9-Balast tank operation didn't makes sense. Why would you put the controls to flood the tank on the inside of it?

10-The windows and doors above the hull itself are generally not watertight. So the ballroom would have flooded immediately.

11-There should not have been an access port to the bow thruster tubes. Opening this door at anytime the boat was in the water would have resulted in flooding the compartment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is a lot wrong with this movie, but that&#8217;s pretty much expected for this type of movie. It really wasn&#8217;t that bad.</p>
<p>1-The Poseidon had no anchors. The entire ship is computer generated, and I guess they focused on the hull design and not the anchors.</p>
<p>2-Rogue waves exist, but are the result of constructive interference between smaller (but still large) waves. The wave hit on a perfectly calm day&#8230; not a situation likely to result in a rogue wave.</p>
<p>3-LOTS of fire, but very little smoke. OK, if there was too much smoke, you couldn&#8217;t see the action and it would be a boring movie.</p>
<p>4-Too much power. Again, if the lights were completely off, the screen would be black and the movie would be boring.</p>
<p>5-Helicopters can&#8217;t fly too far offshore&#8230;Perhaps they were launched from a ship?</p>
<p>6-Bow thruster operation didn&#8217;t make sense. They would either be &#8220;blowing&#8221; to port or starboard, not inboard or outboard.</p>
<p>7-Bow thrusters were activated by a joystick on the bridge that had to be held in position. Yet later at the end of the movie, they are operated by a button that stays in position.</p>
<p>8-Air pockets in the ship would be under high-pressure. If an opening is made to the outside, there would be a great rush of air out. It would have blown them out of the bow thruster tubes.</p>
<p>9-Balast tank operation didn&#8217;t makes sense. Why would you put the controls to flood the tank on the inside of it?</p>
<p>10-The windows and doors above the hull itself are generally not watertight. So the ballroom would have flooded immediately.</p>
<p>11-There should not have been an access port to the bow thruster tubes. Opening this door at anytime the boat was in the water would have resulted in flooding the compartment.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe Shnecks</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe Shnecks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 May 2006 14:20:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not cheap furniture that looks like real nice teak.</description>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 May 2006 04:05:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another thing that may be a problem.  I believe in the original movie, the wave hit during a New Year's Eve party, so presumably around midnight.  But the shot of the approaching wave shows a full moon just above the wave, near the horizon.  A full moon cannot be on the horizon at midnight, unless you're inside the Arctic or Antarctic Circle.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another thing that may be a problem.  I believe in the original movie, the wave hit during a New Year&#8217;s Eve party, so presumably around midnight.  But the shot of the approaching wave shows a full moon just above the wave, near the horizon.  A full moon cannot be on the horizon at midnight, unless you&#8217;re inside the Arctic or Antarctic Circle.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 May 2006 03:00:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>1.  Is it safe to assume the captain has no warning of the wave?  He would have ordered the helmsman to steer into it . . . 2.  Waves don't break like that in the open ocean.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1.  Is it safe to assume the captain has no warning of the wave?  He would have ordered the helmsman to steer into it . . . 2.  Waves don&#8217;t break like that in the open ocean.</p>
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		<title>By: RyeBrye</title>
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		<dc:creator>RyeBrye</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 May 2006 02:22:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks to the MSNBC Cosmic log for the linkback... Your discussion on that site ( http://msnbc.telligentsystems.com/blogs/cosmic_log/archive/2006/05/12/29.aspx ) hits on a lot of the science behind exactly how a rogue-wave might function. 

After digging around - I realized that there is a very real possibility that there could be rogue waves... I still contend that they wouldn't break like that though... (Although my original contention was that they wouldn't exist... so I guess I'm half-wrong to start with)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks to the MSNBC Cosmic log for the linkback&#8230; Your discussion on that site ( <a href="http://msnbc.telligentsystems.com/blogs/cosmic_log/archive/2006/05/12/29.aspx" rel="nofollow">http://msnbc.telligentsystems......12/29.aspx</a> ) hits on a lot of the science behind exactly how a rogue-wave might function. </p>
<p>After digging around - I realized that there is a very real possibility that there could be rogue waves&#8230; I still contend that they wouldn&#8217;t break like that though&#8230; (Although my original contention was that they wouldn&#8217;t exist&#8230; so I guess I&#8217;m half-wrong to start with)</p>
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		<title>By: Cosmic Log</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cosmic Log</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 May 2006 02:00:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Big-wave science...&lt;/strong&gt;

Take one scary phenomenon, find the worst conceivable real-world scenario and scale it up a few notches&#160;......</description>
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<p>Take one scary phenomenon, find the worst conceivable real-world scenario and scale it up a few notches&nbsp;&#8230;&#8230;</p>
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